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Post by Telebabble on Feb 28, 2023 22:37:49 GMT
Your experiments are amazing Af, they prove what the whole ski world knows to be false.
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Post by mark on Feb 28, 2023 22:41:30 GMT
Engagement happens at the pivot point not the duckbill. Maybe you have some old rockered out boots or no ramping.
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Post by Ankle flexer on Feb 28, 2023 23:18:19 GMT
Your experiments are amazing Af, they prove what the whole ski world knows to be false. Which is what exactly, I forget. Was it that the spring on the 3pc engages before the cartridge spring of the HW as far as how high the heel is lifted. Unfortunately I recently sold my skis with 3pc on them so I can't redo the experiment. 3pc = earlier engagement, 3pHW = more power |
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Post by Telebabble on Mar 1, 2023 0:00:57 GMT
3PC would be more active then.. but it's absolutely not.. Call Voile with your amazing finding..HURRY!
I think you just say shit to fuck around
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Mar 1, 2023 14:01:38 GMT
Way too much thread drift here which only goes to show a lot of skiers have the terms active, stiff and neutral wonderfully garbled up.
The point of this thread is that Rottefella will tell you what they told me i.e. Xplore cannot compete with 75mm cable systems for Telemark downhill.
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Post by Ankle flexer on Mar 1, 2023 14:13:47 GMT
I never thought it was supposed to compete with heavy telemark. I thought the question was if it was better than 3 pin or nnn-bc.
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Post by mark on Mar 1, 2023 14:42:34 GMT
It wasn't , but look at the circus at Ttalk now with people mounting Xplore on Objectives and the like. And for what, to just limit decent skis and their own skiing?
Johnny is responsible for some of that nonsense as he pumped it up for years making all kinds of ridiculous claims until it actually came to fruition and he discovered it was not even a significant upgrade from NNN.
You are right though about what Rottefella was basically saying from the start. And now they (the techs) will tell you straight up that their new hardwire copy (or any 75mm cable setup) is a better choice for downhill control on a wider range of terrain and conditions.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Mar 1, 2023 15:19:38 GMT
Is Xplore actually a significant upgrade to NNN and simple pins? If it is, it is having little effect on Telehiro who is using both NNN and pins for xcd as much as ever though he plays on Xplore setups as well. And his Xplore bindings are only used on skinnier skis. No Xplore on Objectives or Chargers; he has better sense.
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Post by Telebabble on Mar 1, 2023 20:57:21 GMT
Why would Telehiro change everything over to $$$$$Xplore when he already skis NNN for xcd like this? Verdict is in, it offers 0 technical advantages but COSTS a hellish bunch of cash for an "xcd" binding. No one at Ttalk approaches this level of skiing on NNN (there's no video evidence of it, just chatter) but many there are still rambling on with their advice. (I suppose Telehiro gets subsidized because he is a great ski instructor?) When Tom freaking M can ski like this, I'll listen, otherwise it's just another Ttalk level-0 Telemark skier rambling on as he poles with the wrong poles and skis on his toes. |
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on May 4, 2023 13:36:43 GMT
I don't know how long it takes to understand that the best way to ski a setup with bindings that really are not active is to keep the heels way down just like Telehiro, otherwise you are trying to ski on your toes just like 95% of Ttalk. It's really that simple and very few "XCD" skiers seem to have the control or discipline to do it.
Telehiro makes the point that the "advantage" of, say, leathers and bare pins is that the binding facilitates keeping the heel low- to 3 inches or less- which is really the only effective way to weight that trailing ski in such a setup. NNN/BC, Xplore, bare pins, it's all the same.
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Post by telerat on Nov 15, 2023 16:52:45 GMT
Read. I would NOT recommend Rottefella Xplore nor 75mm with cable for "blue and black and some black+ runs inbounds and out" with either T4 or T2, but of course Rottefella would not say that and recommend the closest product they have currently. The Super Telemark/75mm with cable toe piece can barely close on our Excursion boots and not on the T2 without a large force. I would not be surprised if it broke after some use with such boots.
My Rottefella recommendation is old Riva 2/3 for your T4 and old Chili or Cobra for T2, but all are out of production. If you want new bindings you can look at Voile or 22designs. Good luck.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Nov 15, 2023 18:04:29 GMT
Setting the record straight: quite a number of skiers are now sking with T4's in the Rott. Hardwire. I have no use for that binding because i use Voile Hardwire3pin and SBX2 though for Xplore applications i would just opt for the 3PC.
You put words in the tech's mouth that are not there even if it's true the T2 will not latch well.
"Hi Ron, Our technician says that you will be more happy to continue with 75mm for your use. Xplore is much better for skiing, but not as good for the slopes you ride."
His statement refers to S L O P E S. But nice try!
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Post by telerat on Nov 15, 2023 20:33:05 GMT
Rottefella lists 75mm with cable together with Xplore and NNN-BC under their Backcountry skiing page/tab, while their telemark page/tab is only NTN. This, together with my own experience with both Rottefella ST and 75mm w/cable, is the reason for my recommendation to avoid it for your stated usage.
I have difficulty understanding where you get that I put words into the tech's mouth. Rottefella will of course recommend what they sell that can work in your situation, even if not optimal. _I_ would still not recommend 75mm w/cable for T4/T2, and would choose SB/SBX2 for T2 and possibly HW3PIN for T4. I haven't tried HW3PIN or AXL/Vice, but they look like nice options.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Nov 15, 2023 21:27:06 GMT
It's crystal clear what you did. You made it about boots, but the Rotte tech said for the SLOPES I mentioned (20 -40)
75mm would be better. Plain and simple. There's no confusion at all. There was NO MENTION OF BOOTS IN THEIR RESPONSE.
FOR the SLOPES does not mean FOR the boots, period. He did NOT say "because you want to ski T4's or T2's well they simply don't work in Xplore" what he did say was FOR THE SLOPES YOU MENTION and soon we will have T4's class boots for Xplore. And in case you cannnot figure it out , there will NEVER be T4 or T2-class boots for Xplore.No Boots in those classes will not function in that binding, ever.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Nov 15, 2023 21:37:28 GMT
Another way to look at this: do you ever see Telehiro skiing T4's without vene moderately active bindings? I guess you need to give it some thought before answering?
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