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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jan 25, 2023 16:13:59 GMT
Trine Stenseth
Jan 19, 14:22
"Hi Ron, Our technician says that you will be more happy to continue with 75mm for your use. Xplore is much better for skiing, but not as good for the slopes you ride. Have a great day! Trinec"
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jan 25, 2023 16:18:55 GMT
Here's my question to Rottefella: "Super Tele or Xplore? Hell-o! A simple question: I am a stable/(edit:relatively)strong Telemark skier. I am looking for a new lite binding for skiing both inbounds and Bc. I will be on blue and black and some black+ runs inbounds and out. As always, conditions will vary. I am thinking that the new Rottefella SuperTelemark with cable is a better choice for me than the Xplore. Generally I will be on various skis that are 90-100mm underfoot. My Bc (and Sc) skiing will usually  be on slopes from 20 - 40+ degrees. I will be as selective about conditions as is reasonable but do not want to be limited that much in terms of performance on less-than-ideal snow or slope angle of terrain. Obviously it comes down to the system of the two that transfers the most pressure forward on the skis (cable system vs hard flexor) and is the most stable laterally overall. If I am on the Rottefella Supertele with cable, my boots will be Scarpa T4's and maybe T2's at times. If on Xplore, the choice would be the stiffest-soled boot available. It is perhaps obvious that the bettter choice for me would be the Supertelemark with cable, but I would appreciate input as I have no experience with the Xplore system. Thank you very much, Ron "
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Post by Grampa Groomer on Jan 25, 2023 19:30:52 GMT
Right from Rottefella: Xplore is not competitive with a decent 75mm cable binding for downhill control. Now who woulda thunk it? But just watch, some will still pretend it is- the same folks who will also say it somehow compares to TTS.
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Post by albertatele on Jan 25, 2023 21:27:46 GMT
It was a no-brainer even just looking at it but also WHY would Rottefella release Xplore and their 3pin hardwire at the same time if the 2 were equivalent and meant for the same terrain and snow conditions? They wouldn't. Xplore was supposed to be for a rolling-tours NNN upgrade but failed even there.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jan 27, 2023 14:24:31 GMT
Here's (quote below) what I posted nearly 2 years ago about XP. It seems I was wrong in that it was not even an improvement over NNN/BC- though to be fair to Rottefella, that was essentially their goal. Also they knew from the start that it could not compete for downhill control with the weak copy of the Voile Hardwire3pin they were also going to release. Ok, to be kind, it's a gross exaggeration. One of the developers is saying, at Ttalk, that the binding/boot combination will handle " a ski" up to 88mm underfoot. But here's a video which shows just how torsionally weak the boot soles are as well as how there's really very little resistance to heel lift in the system at all. But this is supposed to be a great Telemark match for a ski like a Volkl RTM 84? Sorry, that's a fkin' joke. It appears they have achieved the original stated objective of nothing more than improving the stiffness of this EXPENSIVE boot/binding interface over NNN. IT's a REVOLUTION!!!!! Nope, just another ski industry hype. I just love how the boot wrings like a dishrag!
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jan 28, 2023 13:50:28 GMT
I just love these Xp tests. Here we are, boot heel a mere 4 inches off the ski. Focus On the BOOT TOE, THE BOOT IS LITERALLY ON THE TOES. ONE CANNOT SKI ANY SYSTEM WELL ON THE TOES LIKE THIS, and Xp is not much better with the heel at 3 inches, though you will significantly lose resistance at that height of boot heel. Most skiers will continue to monkey around with this system on their toes because the feel nothing until they raise the heels too high and that's especially true in the world of XCd (90%) where the skiers do not have the skills to stay compact. Also I would note how Tom , after having it called to his attention, over and over, decided that he had to tighten WAY WAY UP to ski this ball of rubber junk, did exactly that (more or less) and spliced in the new video segment. This changes nothing really. This weak system is not even competitive on the downhill with the new Rottefella weak copy of the Voile Hardwire3pin ACCORDING to ROTTEFELLA itself-- and reports are it's not even on par with NNN/BC.
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Post by Telebabble on Jan 28, 2023 15:21:14 GMT
Let's see, listen to Tom or listen to Rottefella? Let 'em all follow Tom. I doubt any of that bunch at Ttalk ski any better than he does, so it's not gonna change anything. Fools and their money soon parting.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 19, 2023 13:32:45 GMT
Rott says what anyone who has skied more than a 1/4 of a season would know: any decent 75mm cabled binding yields better downhill control than Xplore. This guy is skiing far better than anyone at Ttalk on Xplore using the new SuperTelemark with cables (weak hardwires) seen here on Voile risers ( just buy Voile's Traverse or Hardwire3pin binding and be done with it!) With the Scarpa T4 and this binding setup, you are ready to stably ski far more terrain and conditions than the Xplore was ever even meant/designed for- AS CONFIRMED BY Rottefella! (Results heavily dependent on NOT doing stupid shit like poling on the wrong side of the turns in an attemt to "drive" the lead changes and really being compact and not dragging the rear ski by the toes, and not paddling with the poles, etc etc- in other words, actually being able to do basic stable Telemark turns.)
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Post by mark on Feb 19, 2023 15:04:22 GMT
That Rottefella copy of Voile's Hw3pin looks like a good xcd choice but Voile's Hw3pin comes with the risers and climbing wires and the Voile hardwires look tougher and more powerful, also the Voile Traverse is just as capable as that new Rottefella binding, I would bet, and It also has risers and climbing wires but costs less the the V Hw3pin. In any case, those 3 choices are obviously more capable than the Xplore system and yield much better bang for the buck.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 19, 2023 15:21:16 GMT
I use the stiff X2 black hardwires on some of my Hw3pin setups. I have various skis mounted with 3pc also, mostly for meadow skipping.
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Post by Telebabble on Feb 19, 2023 16:36:26 GMT
Voile is a great company. Simple, tough and efficient and cost effective bindings that just work.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 27, 2023 14:50:55 GMT
You know what's amazing? Rottefella will tell anyone what they told me: if you want ski control that's superior to Xplore, either stick with 75mm cables bindings or go to them. AND YET forum members at Ttalk continue to spread such clearly false information as Xplore is equivalent in capability to the Voile 3pin Cable/Traverse. Of course once you see the skiing of the people spreading this lie, as they flounder around on Xplore setups, you just roll your eyes and shake your head.
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Post by Ankle flexer on Feb 27, 2023 16:54:21 GMT
The capability of a binding is determined by the boot that is in it. So the question is how does the stiffest xp boot(alfa free) compare to the lightest 75mm boot(T4)
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 27, 2023 18:23:48 GMT
Sure it is. Just bind some leather straps over a T4 skiing some Mantras. Seriously man, do you ever get tired of making bullshit claims?
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 27, 2023 18:26:27 GMT
Af, that dumb claim about "it's all in the boots" is barely worth talking about. The design of that Xplore binding is such that it cannot take the likes of a T4, neither can NNN/BC.
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