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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 28, 2023 17:33:44 GMT
You have the terms messed up. And voile rates hw3pin as more active than 3pc
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 28, 2023 17:37:02 GMT
What you are getting with the HW3pin is a bit more activity (earlier acting) and more stiffness in the hardwires vs spring cables.. but you may be setting the preload lower on the hardwires..
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 28, 2023 17:51:57 GMT
Check with Voile if you think i don't know. Traverse is for lite plastic or good leathers. HW3PIN is suitable for any 75mm Telemark boot you like but it's not good for leathers; they like to squish leathers. Traverse is moderately active, Hw3pin is Aggressive. I like mine with the SBX2 black stiff hardwires.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 28, 2023 17:54:22 GMT
If you start talking about the "activity" of bindings with no cables, you'll be speaking a language only spoken at Ttalk.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 28, 2023 17:59:58 GMT
Here ya go. Most active and stiffest: Hw3pin
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Post by Ankle flexer on Feb 28, 2023 18:38:29 GMT
I don't disagree with that video. The 3pHW and the 3p cable are both three pin bindings but the cable on the 3p cable engages before the HW on the 3pHW. According to your definition that would make the 3p cable more active. There is no dead space on a 3p cable.
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Post by Telebabble on Feb 28, 2023 19:58:14 GMT
YOU ARE BABBLING. The Hw3pin engages earlier than 3pc, THAT'S WHY the video tells you the Hw3pin is THE MOST ACTIVE VOILE PIN BINDING. Most active and stiffest. It cannot be made more plain. Watch the video again?
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Post by albertatele on Feb 28, 2023 20:02:16 GMT
I don't disagree with that video. The 3pHW and the 3p cable are both three pin bindings but the cable on the 3p cable engages before the HW on the 3pHW. According to your definition that would make the 3p cable more active. There is no dead space on a 3p cable. There is dead space on both bindings but less on Hw3pin, BECAUSE IT has the PIVOT POSITION MOVED BACK. Moving the pivot position back causes EARLIER ENGAGEMENT.
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Post by albertatele on Feb 28, 2023 20:05:06 GMT
Listen to her words at min 1:58. And anyone who uses this binding knows.
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Post by Ankle flexer on Feb 28, 2023 20:33:29 GMT
She says it's the stiffest and most active 3 pin binding, which I agree with. I still say the HW has dead space before it engages where the cable does not. No big deal, but it is the reason why I would rather tour in the 3pHW than the 3p cable. I like that dead space for K&G.
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Post by albertatele on Feb 28, 2023 20:46:37 GMT
It is a big deal because you are talking nonsense. The Hw3pin engages Earlier than any other pin option, that's what having the pivot point moved back further than the other 2 does. And that's why it is MORE ACTIVE. There is NO DEAD space after it engages and it absolutely engages before the others.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 28, 2023 21:35:28 GMT
Of course both 3pc and HW3pin have a dead spot before they engage but none have a dead spot after engaged, that would be physically impossible and defy them meaning of being engaged/activated. They do not deactivate as the boots continue to rotate after activating.
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Post by Ankle flexer on Feb 28, 2023 22:11:02 GMT
Yes the dead spot is before the spring engages and not after. If I look at the spring cartrige on my HW it doesn't engage until my heel is raised over two inches off the ski. The 3p cable engages the spring as soon as my heel comes up.
The difference in how the hard wire engages and the cable engages is more noticable between the 3pc and the switchback, where you don't feel the "activity" created by the bail on the duckbill in the SB.
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Post by Telebabble on Feb 28, 2023 22:33:49 GMT
Being that Hw3pin is actually the more active binding, as we all know, and as Voile knows, you probably do not have your hardwires set right. You can set them so loose they won't engage if you want but that means nothing.
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Post by Telebabble on Feb 28, 2023 22:36:59 GMT
3PC do not instantly engage, TTS does. Instant engagement is not common. You have a miraculous 3PinCable.
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