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Post by mca80 on Dec 17, 2023 22:09:32 GMT
Oh he's going uphill in his skin track I guess. Still probably don't want to see that motion in the torso with each stride.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Dec 17, 2023 22:11:07 GMT
I have watched a bunch of his (Buerb's)videos. It's always the same thing: he basically straight-lines with a bunch of XC poling and then often just goes into a wreck. Cross country poling puts the pole plant on the wrong side of the turn i.e. uphill. And it also leaves SOME skiers with the idea that striding into a lead change just as you would pick up a ski to stride it forward XC skiing is just dandy when it's nothing but a trainwreck waiting to happen. You can try it yourself for fun.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Dec 17, 2023 22:13:55 GMT
Seriously, this is ridiculous as something to emulate for the lead changes in Telemark.  |
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Post by mca80 on Dec 17, 2023 22:19:01 GMT
In what way will uhill-poling end in disaster? Are there times it (or double poling) can actually be useful?
Last year was my first learning to telemark and a couple times I caught myself using an uphill pole to initiate a turn when I didn't quite feel balanced or in control. I knew from alpine experience it was wrong and corrected myself and didn't do it again.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Dec 17, 2023 22:20:00 GMT
It's also the same thing with TomM , he cannot downhill ski and plant his poles where they belong. Watch ANY of his videos; his pole planting is cross country. Sadly I think this is far far to common with xcD skiers in general who are trying to to learn telemark basics. It really screams for the need to master basic downhill/alpine skills before entering Telemark.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Dec 17, 2023 22:23:24 GMT
Uphill poling to save yourself is just saving yourself. Double poling can be useful at times but as a habit it is just 95% of the time unneeded.
Uphill poling is usually the result of leaning inside far too much- too much inclination. Adopting it as a habit is terrible because you will just keep on leaning inside the turns too much and you will have totally late pole plants on the downhill side. You can't plant uphill and down simultaneously.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Dec 17, 2023 22:31:17 GMT
Mc, if you look at a Telemark stance turned right on any hill, anyone with the habit of Xc poling the lead changes will will plant the uphill pole to "drive" the lead change when finishing this turn. Basically they grind to a halt on a slope of any steepness and then stride into the lead change. There's so much technically wrong about this that a book could be written to cover it. It's like starting over with every damned lead change rather than using gravity to keep the dance flowing.
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Post by albertatele on Dec 18, 2023 13:37:19 GMT
Poodling, a lot of xcD noobs don't know what it means, but here is the VERY definition. It's being sooo spread you have a dog's rear leg. Mind you, I sometimes still get spread about 1/2 this much maybe (as Xmatt pointed out in one of my old videos yesterday) and it can be still less than ideal. You either keep the rear leg under yourself or you poodle. Poodling often leads to using the inside pole to balance. And cross country poling only make it all worse. Ideally your rear boot is under your ass never behind it. Whatever this is, it's not really Telemark. |
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Post by albertatele on Dec 18, 2023 13:45:40 GMT
Ah, I just did this and made sure to get low as I could and felt far more balance than I did earlier. Still didn't seem as stable as a more compact stance. Got so many things to practice when we finally get winter here, especially with all that I have learned from the telehiro threads. Telehiro is seldom seen all spread out fore/aft. In fact I have never seen him even 1/2 as spread as Tom typically is. If you want to get all poodled out, just xc pole like either Tom or Blurb. |
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Post by mark on Dec 18, 2023 14:15:34 GMT
Mca,
Watch this video again. How spread fore aft do his feet ever get when he really gets moving? Initially he exaggerates to show the arc the skis follow. When he starts moving dynamicallyand stops with arcing the lead up so much to indicate the path of the skis, there are just a few inches between the feet.
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Post by mca80 on Dec 18, 2023 14:25:59 GMT
I never said anything about telehiro being spread fore aft. Nor did I ever say I wanted to ski spread eagle like Tom. Not sure what you guys are reading, I was just seeking to understand things.
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Post by mark on Dec 18, 2023 14:38:21 GMT
In one post, you asked about poodling. I was just responding to that and I think others were as well. Telehiro is a great example of not being too spread. Of course there's a range that's "ok" and it depend on a lot of things like how tall or low you like to ski etc.
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Post by mca80 on Dec 18, 2023 14:39:43 GMT
In one post, you asked about poodling. I was just responding to that and I think others were as well. Yes, I asked several questions. Nowhere did I say that was my intent nor did I ever connect it to telehiro. |
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Post by mark on Dec 18, 2023 14:41:59 GMT
He's just a great example of skiing tall and not poodling, that's all.
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Post by mark on Dec 18, 2023 14:45:11 GMT
Tom is a great example of obvious poodling, Telehiro is on the opposite end of the spectrum. The Rottefella ads show some really bad tippy-toed poodles and also some skiing that's not tight but not that bad either imo.
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