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Post by mca80 on Dec 18, 2023 14:46:21 GMT
Ok. I maybe misinterpreted intent.
I definitely don't want to develop any bad habits as I learn xcD, so watching lots of these videos gives me things to emulate, and things to avoid. Nothing would be more helpful though than to have video of myself and/or lessons from someone really good.
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Post by mark on Dec 18, 2023 14:51:19 GMT
It can be hard to find Telemark instructors. Making friends with stable Telemark skiers to go out with can be great. Also going to the lifts can speed things up because you can get so many turns so fast and you can also ski inbounds and out as well as on piste and off. It's an adventure and takes patience.
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Post by lowangle al on Dec 18, 2023 15:23:00 GMT
M80, I’m glad to see you migrated over here. There is probably no better source of telemark videos in one place on the internet.
The tight stance will make it much easier to get enough weight on both skis and will make it easier to learn how to pressure them. It also makes for a shorter distance to transition your skis. This will make it easier to stay centered and stable during the transition.
About that video from 87, I did mention at talk that most of that skiing was not something to emulate. You have to remember that tele was very new at that time and most people weren’t very skilled. Add to that, the “tight” stance wasn’t even mainstream yet. That old spread out stance was a holdover from when people were still using xc weight boots and skis to do t turns. The lighter the gear the more spread out you need to be for stability as conditions deteriorate.
as far as developing bad habits, I think you are just as likely to develop them using gear that isn’t designed for turning, like double camber skis and boots that are too light as you are using very stiff boots and active bindings, that can hide your flaws.
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Post by mca80 on Dec 18, 2023 16:29:18 GMT
Mark, there was a one day course offered here last year through a local university extension program. The course didn't go, as I was the only one to sign up lol.
Al, fair enough. Do you know if a boot like Alico Ski March is stiffer than, or comparable to, the kinda leather boots people were skiing in that movie? Many of these active bindings will likely be too much for even the stiffest leather, right? I suppose one of these days I may try out a lighter plastic Crispi boot and relatively neutral binding, just being lazy about it. Worst start to winter here in at least 12 years.
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Post by mca80 on Dec 18, 2023 16:32:28 GMT
M80, I’m glad to see you migrated over here. There is probably no better source of telemark videos in one place P.S. Yes! This thread in particular is great. While not the only, or even the best, way to learn, studying video is tremendously helpful, an invaluable resource to beginner and pro alike.
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Post by lowangle al on Dec 18, 2023 16:46:48 GMT
Mark, there was a one day course offered here last year through a local university extension program. The course didn't go, as I was the only one to sign up lol. Al, fair enough. Do you know if a boot like Alico Ski March is stiffer than, or comparable to, the kinda leather boots people were skiing in that movie? Many of these active bindings will likely be too much for even the stiffest leather, right? I suppose one of these days I may try out a lighter plastic Crispi boot and relatively neutral binding, just being lazy about it. Worst start to winter here in at least 12 years. I’ve never seen the boot in person, but from what people say it sounds like it is comparable to old school leathers. I know people have different opinions on this, but I think active bindings and light boots are a compatable combination. I know this has been my experience comparing the dh performance of my T4s using regular switchbacks and the more active X2. It has also been my experience comparing a three pin binding with and without the heel throws with leather boots.
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Post by mca80 on Jan 12, 2024 19:43:25 GMT
Is there a way to post pictures here? If not, maybe description will suffice.
Went out on an easy hiking trail, somewhat narrow, one spot has low angle but enough to get some speed and link some turns if doing them quick because, again, not very wide. I looked back, and I was pleased with my tracks showing the skis mostly parallel to one another throughout the four or five turns, but it looks a little more Z shape than S. Any idea what I may have been doing?
P.S. last year was my first year doing xcd or telemark and was only on nnnbc. Today's ski, I didn't really expect to make any turns when I set out but thought what the hey once I got up to speed--anyway it was my first time doing this on bare pins, no cable, low cuff Crispi leather and a soft yet still double cambered 67-57-62 old school Asnes touring ski.
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Post by mca80 on Jan 12, 2024 19:49:41 GMT
Well, obvious there is a way to post pictures. But how is it done?
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Post by mca80 on Jan 12, 2024 20:01:52 GMT
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Post by mark on Jan 12, 2024 20:09:01 GMT
MC. simply click "reply"..then icons appear over the top of your post.. there is one for videos and one for images as well as others.. To post a pic you need to supply the image URL or you can upload from your own computer sources. For including a pic from the web, you typically have to right-click the image online and then select "copy image url" and then paste it into the the image box/icon/option .. The link option you used works but it has to be clicked to see the image. Adding the image as an attachment from your computer only works if the image is <1 megabyte in size.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jan 19, 2024 17:02:02 GMT
Some interesting things in this video: he complains of knee stress Telemark vs cross country, but that's not the issue. The issue is he is waaaaay too spread out. He drags the rear ski with his rear foot trailing way off behind his butt as opposed to being COMPACT with the rear foot far more toward being under his butt in something closer to a Telehiro "stance".. In the more resistant snow, he forces Telemark turns and turns far too abruptly--another knee killer. The better choice would be to stay more in the fall-line doing shallow turns and if Telemark just does not seem to work well, then use alpine turns. His cross country poling habit is also raising all sorts of hell but I won't take up 5 pages explaining that. Also he mentions that fatter skis float better than skinnier sticks which is true BUT speed is also a key element in ski flotation. A fatter ski may not be of any real flotation advantage over a skinnier one on a 7 degree slope crawling down the hill. Here's something for a Telemark noob to try: do some alpine turns and Then ask yourself how much knee stress you feel..good.. Now, you should not feel any significant amount of more knee stress trying to Tele and if you are,chances are your are simply too spread out or forcing your turns into Z shapes.
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Post by mark on Jan 19, 2024 17:35:11 GMT
Being compact in Telemark is a constant challenge.
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Post by mark on Jan 19, 2024 17:40:59 GMT
This is how to do shallow turns which would, in all likelihood, have worked much better in Tom's video above but no way can you ski like this with cross country/ inside poling. Takes a lot of practice to be comfortable staying in the fall line like this especially when you doubt the snow quality. Start with alpine turns.
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Post by albertatele on Jan 19, 2024 18:04:17 GMT
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Post by mca80 on Jan 19, 2024 21:44:33 GMT
Well it's not in my knees, but that video sure was painful to watch.
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