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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jan 8, 2023 14:24:19 GMT
Pretty simple: 1) Shuffling keeps both skis weighted which means both skis can be more easily controlled and skied smoothly in parallel; 2) Shuffling means you can make the quickest lead change because both skis are in motion; 3) It is more likely you will stay centered on the skis by shuffling because you will eliminate lunging forward or just sitting too far back; 4) Shuffling makes it a lot less likely you will cross up your skis; 5) Shuffling allows you quickly to choose between more weight forward, centered or back. On ice, hardpack ( especially carving) you generally want more weight on the forward ski, but never does that mean 0 weight on the back ski. Similarly, off piste- especially in powder or snow of any depth- you generally want more weight on the back ski. The days of Telemark as a lunge came and went long long ago.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jan 8, 2023 14:50:17 GMT
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jan 8, 2023 15:43:26 GMT
For whatever reasons, this is exactly what you almost NEVER see skiers who fancy themselves in the XCD crowd do. They almost always lunge and fling the new lead ski out and let the trailing ski wobble off behind way too far. I suspect it's because they tend to emulate what they have seen in ski films from the 70's and 80's.( And taking Cross Country Downhill as a Bible also serves to utterly confuse things being that in some important regards it embraces nonsense.)
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Post by Telebabble on Jan 8, 2023 21:43:38 GMT
It's a squat and shuffle, not a lunge. It's a dance, not a stance. So many XCD skiers look like lunging stick men dragging skinny sleds behind them. A good video.
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Post by Telebabble on Jan 12, 2023 15:28:19 GMT
These guys make lots of overhead videos and some are interesting but the skiers are ALWAYS front-ski centric which makes their skiing very 1-dimensional and in many ways, weak.
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Post by Grampa Garble on Jan 14, 2023 18:51:07 GMT
Constant motion, constant shuffle, IT's THE DANCE! Just say NO! to park and ride. T4's and waxless Chargers. A T4 is a capable boot even though there's little to lean the shins into.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 20, 2023 14:00:25 GMT
Main point is if you just retract the lead ski and you are on hardpack or ice or crud, you can skid like hell. It's hard to go wrong with shuffling. Lunging into the lead change is often just as bad as only sliding or stepping the lead back.
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Post by mark on Feb 20, 2023 19:06:28 GMT
He oftens seems to get a bit too spread when doing a demo of some faulty move, but when he really skis, he is compact and obviously a good Telemark skier.
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Post by albertatele on Feb 21, 2023 16:14:18 GMT
Shuffling the skis in and out of lead changes on low-angle slopes in traverses is one of the essential skills that is taught from day1 by good instructors. Sadly, too often many who have poor or no basic stable downhill skills somehow think they can just jump right over the very basics by flailing. This often leads to years of frustration or never really getting past level 1.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 23, 2023 14:22:29 GMT
Telemark shuffling exercises at Winter Park. 3 good embedded videos. You think you get 50/50 weight distribution? Nope, sensors again show at best 35% on average for rear ski! Rarely more. SHUFFLE
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Post by albertatele on Feb 23, 2023 18:41:14 GMT
As the article points out, beginners are especially front-ski centric and that is frequently an issue especially when they take that to the sc/bc or the ungroomed because their weight distribution is probably seldom no better than 80/20 or worse.
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Post by Ankle flexer on Feb 23, 2023 20:45:05 GMT
When I need or want 50/50 I can get it. Within a few percentage points anyway. Close enough to achieve my goals. Do I always ski 50/50, no.
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Post by Telebabble on Feb 23, 2023 21:05:49 GMT
^^^ So you have used sensors to prove your claim? What we think and what we do are often at odds. If you have this kind of power to not only do it (get 50/50) but know when you do it, you are quite exceptional!
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Post by Ankle flexer on Feb 24, 2023 19:32:03 GMT
^^^ Thank you. The only sensors I have are my feet and the feedback they get from the snow. It would be interesting to see what an actual sensor would record. Like I said above, I think it would be within a few percentage points. Most of my skiing is probably with a heavier weighted lead ski and I'm OK with that. In my book you only need enough weight on either ski to make it turn. Try some double camber skinnies, you need to get real close to 50/50 to get both edges down at the same time.
I'm sure most of the people in that study were alpine skiers turned telemarkers. The article states that alpine skiers tend to be heavy on the lead ski. In addition, statistically most of the skiers that were in that study must have gone back to alpine gear because they aren't on tele anymore. That tells me that maybe they never really got it down 100%. Heavy stiff boots, active bindings and shaped rockered skis could make them look like experts while still being heavy on the lead ski.
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Post by Telebabble on Feb 24, 2023 21:06:22 GMT
Why are you so sure about what you are obviously guessing? I am only sure that you are guessing because you are.
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