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Post by Telebabble on Feb 24, 2023 21:10:24 GMT
Every study ever done with sensors about Telemark weight distribution came back the same. Of course you can literally sit on the back ski if you want, but that's shitty control.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 25, 2023 14:55:33 GMT
Really, literally sitting on the trailing ski is, at times, a good survival technique. As a habit or way of skiing, it's a bad one unless you like useless and dangerous knee stress and fighting to keep the skis from shooting out from under you.
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Post by Ankle flexer on Feb 25, 2023 20:50:01 GMT
It may be a guess, but it's an educated one. Have you ever skied powder over a breakable crust where you had to weight both skis equally or you break through. You can make all kinds of adjustments in pressuring your skis, so why not 50/50. I also use it when I need to keep my momentum up to get down a flat spot on a powder run. 50/50 weighting with very little vertical movement will help maintain speed in deep powder. I also think I get it when carving railroad tracks on packed snow and when doing launch and load turns in powder.
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Post by Telebabble on Feb 25, 2023 22:13:40 GMT
Guessing is just that, but how many actual studies with sensors verify what you keep repeating? Right, not one. And no rookies were involved in any of the sensor-based studies. You are a lot like TM, you just keep repeating what you want to believe.
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Post by Ankle flexer on Feb 26, 2023 17:11:19 GMT
I wish I could get some sensors. I can pressure my skis any way I want, which I'm pretty sure includes 50/50. How much time have you worked on it? I worked on pressuring my skis a lot. It's not that difficult, but if you don't try, it won't happen.
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Post by Ankle flexer on Feb 26, 2023 17:21:24 GMT
I'm not repeating what I want to believe. I'm repeating what I experience. I can tell when I'm front foot heavy, back foot heavy, or just right. Like I said, when I want it I can get it, and I can tell the difference between when I get it right and when I don't.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 26, 2023 17:33:23 GMT
What you offer as proof is the same thing countless other did. Until they were proven wrong. I say you can get 50/50, on basically the flats or if you are dead in the fall-line, otherwise you are somehow defying physics as well as all the tests that have been done on the matter.
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Post by Ankle flexer on Feb 27, 2023 18:57:13 GMT
Did those studies specifically say that nobody ever got 50/50 or that most did not. If you put sensors in my boots and told me to just go ski you would get different results than if you told me to shoot for 50/50.
When you get it, you feel it. The tighter and more compact you are the easier it is to get it and feel it. If I can intentionally ski with a heavy back foot or a heavy front foot what would stop me from equally weighting them. It's not that difficult, but like I said from day one, "you won't get it if you don't try" I'll add to that; "if you don't believe it, you probably won't try it"
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 27, 2023 19:13:44 GMT
They said the best were getting 60/40. I am sure the never bothered testing on the flats because who would care?
I think it's wise to leave "feeling" out of anything that approaches decent testing.
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Post by CantTeleOnAGolfCourse on Mar 1, 2023 15:36:46 GMT
"On ice, hardpack ( especially carving) you generally want more weight on the forward ski, but never does that mean 0 weight on the back ski. Similarly, off piste- especially in powder or snow of any depth- you generally want more weight on the back ski."
Genuinely curious, not being contentious at all. Can you help me understand the logic/physics behind this? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I conjecture that in powder it might be to help keep the tips up (by sitting back a little) and/or to be ready for variable snow that could cause you to go over the handlebars. What's the reason for the forward bias on hardpack?
I found your other points on this thread to be helpful/intuitive, I just couldn't quite wrap my beginner mind around this one.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Mar 1, 2023 16:59:00 GMT
It's really pretty simple, if you get back-weighted that much on ice or hardpack, you will skid like hell. It's like slamming the brakes on only with the the back brakes of your car. Try it some time, just pull back really forcefully in the lead change on ice or really hardpacked snow. It's also compounded by the fact that the turn happens so fast that the skis also V-out. I'm not saying you want to lurch forward, just make sure you are being more front-ski-centric and not pulling the old lead ski back too quickly and weighting it a lot.
If you pull back hard, it creates a quick pivot, not great on ice.
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Post by CantTeleOnAGolfCourse on Mar 2, 2023 19:12:56 GMT
Okay, I think I'm following the logic. I'll have to play with it and see what it feels like in practice.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Mar 2, 2023 19:57:38 GMT
Think of it as just pulling the emergency brake on a car going 50mph on black ice.
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Post by TM on Mar 27, 2023 11:13:47 GMT
Snow here is very deep and sticky. Hope to hit some powder on a heavy and deep pack. Will see! TM
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Post by TM on Mar 27, 2023 13:15:25 GMT
Bagged it! Did some decent turns out back of my house in old pasture with an inch of sweet powder on seriously consolidated. Sweet turns without trees. What a concept. TM
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