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Post by Telebabble on Jan 25, 2022 17:00:48 GMT
RnD, there is exactly one way to turn an inactive/neutral binding into an active one.. Buhler? Buhler? YOU HAVE TO ADD A CABLE SYSTEM OF SOME SORT.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jan 25, 2022 19:29:20 GMT
Yeah, not much of a consensus on DH power turnabilty with the xplore boots/binding. Johnny raves about it but, at one point says its almost as powerful as NNNBC. Almost? WTF is the point? Tom is not very sure about the power either. Shouldn't be hard to ascertain, I suspect they just dont want to admit its not an improvement for legit DH. Probably a stouter boot would be great, I think the system may have potential, but like NNNBC, soft boots will handicap it. I'm going the other direction anyway. Im gonna give NTN/Meidjo a try next season. XC is XC, T4/Excursion handles everything else up to and including lift serve, but I want more power for bumps and ice and a release. I'm still relatively new, lots to learn and I want to feel the power! Tom M says it will not replace any other current system, then suggests people might want to shell out 100's more to diddle around on it. But then he also rattles on about how a stiffer bumper might replace the cable (In the first place, what cable? All cable system are not created equal ) even though a bumper has almost 0 effect on an increase in resistance to heel lift, so he's really just talking nonsense. It's a neutral binding and will remain so. If I were in the market for a new binding, it would be the HW3pin. So much bang for the buck I think nothing else compares. XCD/BC/resort capable and there's a very wide variety of great boots it matches up with from T4's to 4-buckle stiff options like T-Race or Synergys. That binding is simple, relatively light and tough as hell. Nothing much not to like. I wish it did have a slightly longer toe box and the pivot point were moved back but that's really not essential. And BTW, you can use the black cartridges from the SBX2 with the HW3pin.
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Post by RnD on Jan 25, 2022 22:53:03 GMT
Maybe I should give a cable setup a go. Almost went with SB/X2 when I got my Objectives, went with the Spike step ins instead. Thought they were interesting (geek) and wasnt sure how the SB toured low angle stuff when the free pivot wasn't needed or used. Turns out the Spike isn't the greatest for touring or climbing, but does have a little more power than an ST for decending. Round and round we go.
Still though, tough not to grab the Objectives/spikes even for light XCD/otbd stuff, where it might be borderline overkill, but I know I can maneuver in tight spots and unideal conditions. The setup works, covers a broad range of terrain/conditions, and inspires confidence, despite some shortcomings.
If XCD has a future, it might be skis like that, the KOM and the Discovery 102 that keep it alive. Alpine ski's with scales as opposed to the XC derived S98/112s, M68 etc.
Perhaps light BC is a more appropriate term than XCD.
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Post by cunningstunts on Jan 25, 2022 23:39:41 GMT
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jan 25, 2022 23:41:18 GMT
RnD I love the SBX2 but it's not the best overland..It is great with the free pivot for steeper climbing. For what you seem to want to do, I cannot imagine anything is better for the cost than the HW3Pin. Detach the cylinders and it's just a pin..Comes with 2 climbing wires. It is tough. Td uses it on his new powder skis which are, I think, 115 underfoot? I am using it on the Mantra 102 and have it also on other skis like the old K2 Backup which is a mere 82 underfoot. S98, 112.. noodle skis really which are still fine over a much wider range than some E99 or 109 etc..
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jan 25, 2022 23:43:55 GMT
The 3PC is a classic and still the best truely XCD moderately active binding ever made. If you could attach various hardwires to it witthout cobbling and mauling the ends, it would be just as powerful as the HW3pin..
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Post by cunningstunts on Jan 25, 2022 23:47:08 GMT
Thinger is, it's easy to just swap the whole binding plate out. Three screws, no glue, on each binding.
I don't know that I'd fuss with that. On a ski like the Objective the 3PC traverse seems plenty powerful enough. That ski weighs 2.5 lbs. It's insanely light. I couldn't bring myself to put a 1.5 lb binding like the switchback on there.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jan 25, 2022 23:50:01 GMT
Maybe not, but the HW3pin is only marginally heavier and the cylinder options can make it much stiffer than the springy cable setup.. though i am a big fan of both..Like I say, any hardwire cylinders can be used with the HW3pin..including the stiff black ones from the SBX2..
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jan 25, 2022 23:53:27 GMT
BTW, Voile says the HW3pin and SB can be swapped out on the 4hole patterns with no issue.. But how much force does it really take to pivot a ski into a turn? Not that much depending on conditions. But if conditions are really that difficult, why waste the energy to force a Tele? Wait for the good stuff..that's right, just alpine it until you see what screams "TELEMARK!"..
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Post by cunningstunts on Jan 26, 2022 0:00:13 GMT
At a ski resort, I'm with you. Too much work to tele everything.
When I go ski XCD, I pretty much tele everything, because that's what I'm out there to do. I upped to the Objectives so I had a no nonsense, no fuss tool to go out and climb and descend when we got good snow. So far they have lived up to that. They've not let me down on the down.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jan 26, 2022 0:11:53 GMT
Not just the resort.. Sometimes the BC/SC/SlackC is miserable to the point of .. no point.. just not good, period.. The KTB religion that says the BC is just wonderful 95% of the time is, I am sorry, bullshit.
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Post by TM on Jan 26, 2022 11:45:24 GMT
And I say bullshit on tele skiers doing parallel because they can't do the deed....Remember this....When the going gets tough the telemarkers get going....TM
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Post by Telebabble on Jan 26, 2022 13:52:43 GMT
^^^^Shut up you damned old fool. You whine continuously about having to flail around on crusts or deep unsettled snow. Just because you flail and make a fool of yourself only proves the point that others make about your lack of skills and trying to make Telemark a religion. Refrozen snow can be so dangerous no one should be on it even just doing step turns, least of all you. You're so great you are forced to ski the groomers for a week while others ski the ungroomed and off piste. Your act is worn out and totally dishonest. You can't even describe a simple parallel turn let alone do one. Get off the crack and get off the Web. You, Tom M and a whole pack of others at Ttalk need to shut up about skiing until you can at least ski on an intermediate level --that's never going to happen in your case.
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Post by albertatele on Jan 26, 2022 14:03:09 GMT
And I say bullshit on tele skiers doing parallel because they can't do the deed....Remember this....When the going gets tough the telemarkers get going....TM You inserted yourself in a conversation that did not exist. No one was talking about doing alpine turns because they COULD NOT do Telemarks. They were clearly discussing saving energy to more fully enjoy Telemark where conditions make Tele the most F U N. Can you ever post sans ranting? Sit down and be quiet, honey. It's not all about YOU YOU YOU no matter how hard you try to make it so. We all know what you have to say before you say it anyways.
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Post by Grampa Groomer on Jan 26, 2022 16:07:38 GMT
And I say bullshit on tele skiers doing parallel because they can't do the deed....Remember this....When the going gets tough the telemarkers get going....TM What we now know is when the going got tough, TM got gone..to the groomers.. for a week straight!
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