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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 2, 2021 14:02:31 GMT
Rock, the issue is not where his poles "are" as much as what he is doing with them. Trying to "stride" the Telemark turn is bad technique. He reaches UPHILL with his pole, stabs it in the ground and pushes off with it. In any balanced skiing, the reaching must be down the hill not up otherwise you simply have no decent counter to lead the skis into the next turn and you are always on the verge of skidding out from the fact that you are leaning INTO the hill when you do your pole push.
It has been observed that a skier can get away with this ( at least sometimes) on low angles but it will catch up when trying to ski faster and on steeper slopes. If you take the time to find it, he posted a different video of himself in which he strides a few turns and then flops; that video says it all.
There's a simple test for this: go to any run of around 25 degrees and try to literally stride into your lead changes. It just causes more problems than it is worth. It is XC poling where it technically does not belong.In his avatar pic, he appears to be basically balanced but he will have lost it just as soon as he makes the next wild stab with that uphill pole. It's fundamentally wrong; the pole that he should have in position to time the next turn would be his downhill/outside pole.
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Post by mark on Feb 2, 2021 16:41:47 GMT
It's just not good Telemark technique. You cannot have a decent counter and be stabbing with the uphill pole both. Uphill pole pushing, poking, stabbing simply puts your upperbody rotated away from the turn-- no C. Good luck with that. That strong stride also causes him to come very close to crossing his ski tips. Rather than shuffling both skis parallel, he forcefully pushes his inside-and-back ski forward and down which keeps crossing in front of his outside ski.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 3, 2021 13:56:36 GMT
Teleking having low-angle fun! Snow looks quite good..( We got a nice dump of powder at Lookout last night.)
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 3, 2021 14:17:53 GMT
E99 and leathers skiing..posted at Ttalk.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 8, 2021 3:46:54 GMT
Well here it is.. Maybe it should be seen as some sort of great example of XCD? ..Striding the turn.. Technically messed up..
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Post by albertatele on Feb 8, 2021 16:27:16 GMT
A serious issue with that striding is that it is so front-ski centric. Essentially all of the weight goes from one ski to the other so there's really no shuffle going on at all, and the new outside ski leaves the rear behind very quickly turning at a sharp angle to the trailing ski rather than parallel with it. Recipe for some nice yardsales and totally bad way to ski off piste.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 8, 2021 19:20:08 GMT
Some late-day chowder skiing at Lookout Saturday.. Fun smaller bumps and soft snow.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 11, 2021 15:08:37 GMT
I have to say that I am actually pretty amazed that this guy does not flop more with his ass-backwards, Tele-XC poling. Of course he seems to stay on green and blue groomers and he poles into a basic wedge on every "stride" which keeps his speed way down overall ( even if his trailing tip is continually ramming his lead ski ), but still, here's the man who took the first version of Cross Country Downhill seriously with its stride-the-turn poling advice -- though to be fair, SB seemed to actually advocate a staggered poling technique unless on really low angles. ( Staggered poling is "driving the lead change with the uphill pole and then quickly following it with an orthodox downhill plant/tap.)
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Post by albertatele on Feb 11, 2021 16:57:25 GMT
0 point or advantage in striding a Tele turn when all you need to do is to stay enough in the fall line to let gravity move the ski for you with very little upperbody action at all and while NOT leaning into the hill. And the downhill plant uses anticipation to move the skis while keeping the skier from tipping into the hill. Striding turns on anything but very low angles is just imbalanced skiing. It's amusing to watch him basically stride into a wedge on every single turn. At any speed at all, his skis are going to tangle.
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Post by mark on Feb 11, 2021 18:17:28 GMT
Literally striding the turn is far more work than is required and needlessly puts the upperbody in an imbalanced state. It also delays the edge change. For the smoothest and most efficient Telemark turns, it is absolutlely requisite to change edges before leads, though exactly when the tips pass in the lead change is variable. Monomarking is essential to advanced Telemark skiing.
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Post by mark on Feb 12, 2021 13:13:16 GMT
The Monomark:
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 13, 2021 15:37:07 GMT
^^ Great exercise for balance and to teach quick edge changes.. not meant as a practical way to ski.
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Post by mark on Feb 17, 2021 13:56:03 GMT
Bauerb's "Telemark" videos are really hard to watch. Skis banging together, continuous needless and unstable uphill poling. And ya know what? NO ONE at Ttalk has the courage to do the man a favor and point out these bad and useless habits, so he goes right on making these videos of what amounts to really bad Telemark.
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Post by albertatele on Feb 17, 2021 16:31:51 GMT
Today Bauerb posted this as advice:
"5. unless you are highly skilled, tele skiing is going to be very slow compared to alpine skiers. I've been tele skiing 35 years and despite being very good at it, my 18yo son kicks my butt going down on his alpine gear. something to keep in mind if you are planning to ski with others"
Sorry, that's basically nonsense. I don't ski fast just to ski fast, and I do not consider myself to be some great master of Telemark, but I sure do not have any problem keeping up with 90+% of alpine skiers when I am feeling strong and stable. And being 3 or 4 seconds behind excellent alpine ski buddies when they are ripping hard is not some BFD that I can see.
I find it really odd that Bauerb actually thinks he's quite good at Tele when he does not even have his poling figured out.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 26, 2021 14:02:50 GMT
Another video on first lessons for skiing ungroomed, unsettled snow. The big difference is in making your own platform to turn from.
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