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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jul 10, 2020 18:45:53 GMT
Seems like a really humble, knowledgeable and decent guy.
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Post by cunningstunts on Jul 11, 2020 0:19:46 GMT
Like any good dh skier, he took what he knew from Alpine skiing and applied it to Nordic skiing.
I know exactly what he means when he talks about hooking his first Tele turn.
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Post by cunningstunts on Jul 11, 2020 0:22:13 GMT
Also must be great for him to know that people are still getting that same vibe on gear he "invented" some 35? years later.
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Post by mark on Jul 11, 2020 0:25:34 GMT
Ever ski a pair of Black Widows? He mentions them. Very even-arcing ski which was a renamed single camber "downhill" ski . He makes no apologies for moving to alpine gear for Tele skiing.
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Post by cunningstunts on Jul 11, 2020 0:29:10 GMT
No, but some my favorite XCD skis are like Alpine skis of that era - my Heliums are old "AT" skis. Very good skis in anything but crust, I'd say.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jul 11, 2020 4:07:32 GMT
I had a pair. Graphics were kinda cool. They seemed softer than other Alpine skis of that era. They had some shape. I skied them 3PC.
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Post by Gas on Jul 13, 2020 12:08:42 GMT
Always wanted a set of Helium's....Did hammer some ski areas on Black Widows....No that was telepole I had some Off Piste or something like that....Good Alpine tele ski...Crap in the woods...TM
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Post by Gassy Grampatele on Jul 13, 2020 13:25:17 GMT
^^ You just have to pollute every single thread with some drooling nonsense because you have nothing to add to a ski conversation but shit. ALL of what you say about skiing in the woods is gas. We can see what you do and it is not what we call good skiing. This thread is about a REAL Telemark pioneer, not your completely unjustified self-adoration.  |
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Post by cunningstunts on Jul 13, 2020 14:58:08 GMT
Yeah, that's really odd you say that.
Having a number of different cambered skis in different widths, I'd say the one's that are best in the woods have:
1 - the least camber
2 - the most grip
3 - the tightest turning ability
4 - the shortest length
5 - widest waist to compensate for shorter length
In terms of mostly what I've seen on Gramps' videos, I'd rate the skis I have as follows, from best to worst, in that kind of terrain, regardless of snow:
1 - Voile Objective
2 - Tua Helium
3 - S Bound 98 (I don't have this anymore but I still know where it fell)
4 - Madshus Epoch
5 - Madshus Eon
6 - Asnes Ingstad
7 - Fischer S Bound 78
8 - Fischer E99 (no longer own)
9 - Madshus Glittertind (no longer own)
10 - Fischer E89
2-4 have the best compromise of "cruising" ability and turning ability with the Tua arguably being the best cruising ski with pretty good turning ability in most snow. Being wax base and single camber pushes it above the rest in that aspect.
8-10 are generally pretty worthless except for mellow terrain and groomed XC trails - unless you just want to straight run them with no turns, which I generally don't.
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Post by cunningstunts on Jul 13, 2020 15:11:37 GMT
And in terms of energy, I'd sure say the Objectives feel the most lively. It's almost impossible to make them dive at speed and you really feel them pushing back and wanting to come to the surface.
Skis like the E99, which they feel like a bow, and have a lot of bounce on hard snow - good for kick and glide - they feel dead in deep snow. Hardly any lift generated to give you any feedback. And of course the most prone to dive having no rocker and the most camber.
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Post by cunningstunts on Jul 13, 2020 15:59:59 GMT
Also before gramps comes in and barks about weight, the heaviest skis on that list are maybe 1 lb per pair heavier than the lightest. I think the Tuas are the heaviest I've owned, but still lighter than any resort ski (and you'll feel that on hardpack - they feel like beginner skis).
S Bound 98s are probably the best all-rounders in terms of grip, length/width, turnability, cruising ability and weight. They can be skied NNN-BC or 3 pin, and ski well enough with both. They are really slow on hardpack XC and have too much camber to reliably control on hardpack dh, but everything in between they do well.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Jul 18, 2020 13:56:58 GMT
Something GT seldom recognizes is that too little camber can be an issue for carving/holding edge while too much is a disaster for the same. And to suggest that the solution is to never ski a groomer or hardpack, misses the point that snow naturally packs in the SC and BC and gets gets very crusty and icy as well. Of course you can elect to just ski the hero-snow days, and good luck with that.
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Post by teledance on Jul 18, 2020 14:19:51 GMT
About 1993 girlfriend and I drove 2+ hours to participate in the Tele Festival at Scheitzer barely missed crashing on black ice along the way SUV ahead of is had crashed and Idaho State Police turned around in front of us, our blessing since we slowed down but still broke free. Well there we are at the race lots of skiers with Black Widows and T1 boots sponser comes up to us with Alpine skis and leather boots and tells us we have illegal skis for the race and won't be allowed to win any prizes, I point to our leather boots and call him an asshole, still recalling almost joining the SUV in the ditch. Ahh the early days of gear evolution. Girlfriend almost got run down by her competitor who went wrong way around the 1st gate.
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