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Post by albertatele on Feb 4, 2019 21:42:29 GMT
I hear this talked about with no end: what gear is more fun to Tele ski? The answer is simple: any gear driven to its limits (limits are of both skier and gear) is pushed to the edge and that seems to be what people mean by "fun". Big Tele or small/lite, it's really all the same thing, and also depends on how you see effort and stability or lack thereof as fun. If you like going slowly and deliberately on some old straight board while others pass you up on newer gear like you are standing still, then happy days. Every year I see various minimalists hacking down the mountain on simple pins and leathers, sometimes skiing with stability but almost never at any real speed and I guess that's a great thrill for them, but there's simply no way to construct that as "superior" Tele or not..Though no matter the gear, if there's no pushing the limits, it's all a snooze.
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Post by cunningstunts on Feb 4, 2019 22:53:39 GMT
The difference is this:
When you crash going fast, no matter what it is, the consequences are much higher. If you can have fun going at a lower speed where crash consequences are less, more power to you.
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Post by teledance on Feb 5, 2019 2:04:18 GMT
Hah I know of several low speed twisting crashes with terrible consequences, it's all a matter of physics, which can play havoc on a body.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 11, 2019 15:40:52 GMT
It's not hard at all to see serious ski injuries resulting from what appear to be the mellowest of crashes.. Got some doc and nurse friends? Just ask them.
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Post by albertatele on Feb 11, 2019 16:49:30 GMT
The limits of fun for most of us ( at least on anything even half challenging) are well defined by floppy old (or new) junk often dubbed "XCD".
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Post by Mike on Feb 11, 2019 17:24:55 GMT
Been down this road before. You can slip and die walking in your driveway.
It is a matter of physics, because, I mean, physics is how we define the physical world... so umm... pretty much everything we observe would fall under that category.
My thought is though, you don't see many deaths resulting from slow speed skiing, but many every years from high speed skiing. And those that die are usually "expert" skiers. Not many beginners or intermediates go that fast or ski that hard to have those kind of consequences.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 11, 2019 23:29:45 GMT
Dunno where you ski, but any damn Saturday I am on the groomers at about any resort, countless shitty skiers skiing way beyond their safe limits. They could easily enough ram a tree, twist a knee or bash another skier and get really fucked up or seriously injure another hapless skier. I don't have the exact stats, but I don't want to hit a tree at even 15 or 20mph and it's common to see really bad skiers skiing beyond those speeds.
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Post by teledance on Feb 12, 2019 0:17:21 GMT
Still sticking with the seeing many slow twisting falls, nothing like a spiral fracture to the fibia or even a femur and seen both occur, or broken neck which was really sad.
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Post by cunningstunts on Feb 12, 2019 2:16:38 GMT
I think the difference between lesser skilled skiers and more advanced skiers is the risks they take, and the unintended nature of a crash. It's the same with cars, bikes, planes... whatever. No skilled person plans to crash, but if they push the limits, there are sometimes very real consequences.
Novices OTOH kind of expect they will crash, or at least should. Thus they probably don't ski as close to trees, or bail long before they get into a sketchy situation. Yeah, people get hurts skiing all the time. That's the way it is.
And no, I wouldn't want to hit a tree at 15-20 mph, but I put myself in that risk zone all the time both skiing and on a bike. Unless it was a perfect hit, I doubt I'd die. Might be worse, might be paralyzed. Going 30-40mph on a steep run, catching an edge wrong and getting tossed or sliding into the trees (or some exposed rock) - yup, that'll do it. That's usually how at least one person dies skiing a season around here. And yes, they usually are experienced skiers per the reports.
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Post by teledance on Feb 13, 2019 2:07:34 GMT
Knowing how to fall definitely helps, I've covered what I've seen over 50+ seasons and yes high speed can have higher consequences, but there is a bigger picture. Go hit up a patroller and check the statistics on what level skier sees the most injuries.
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Post by Rokjox on Feb 14, 2019 23:03:03 GMT
You can lead a horse to water,
but you can't make him think.
Ah, the love of limits, and why so many of us express them.
Just had a funeral of a ski instructor from the local Bogus Basin Ski Circus.
Seems he was using a illegal, stupid and off site/outofbounds snowboard jump that just happens to place the jumper about 6 feet in the air over the main (only) road to Town. I seem to remember seeing it being used once as I was driving up years ago. It is claimed by his mother that he had done it innumerable times, and his wife and two kids dont say too much else, but that he was a jive guy.
A 7 foot tall Hummvee being driven by a 17 year old kid happened to be occupying a portion of the jump zone. With some extensive therapy he may be ok eventually.
This is some stupid shit.
Limits, its whats for Lunch
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Post by Rokjox on Mar 20, 2019 16:18:45 GMT
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Post by telekid on Mar 20, 2019 16:50:37 GMT
I feel like pushing the limit or being on the edge of out of control is what forces you to ski at your best. The thrill of improvisation and having to adapt in a split second tests the most hardened of skier. Most of the time I’m skiing solo, so having to ease up which takes self control is a must. Nobody wants to get hurt but when I’m with a group it’s easier to push the envelope. Conditions are a big factor as always when deciding to push a little harder.
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Post by teledance on Mar 21, 2019 14:50:54 GMT
Well 3 weeks out from a partial dislocation of the left shoulder, and back skiing but can't use a pole in the left hand yet, at least without risking reinjury. Learned that Monday, so expert skier self taken out now skiing groomed blues, oh yeah.
Ron was at Lookout yesterday, man that hill is flat, but the groomers are smooth.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Mar 21, 2019 15:13:04 GMT
Yea, a lot of flats (15 degrees + - ) @ Lookout and then sudden 300ft 30-degree drops.. We tend to all the 20+ stuff but some flats we just avoid a lot.. Bump runs on the N side hold at 25-30 top-to-bottoms.. Face is fun and steep enough but just for 300 feet.. You can pick up about all the speed you want by carefully selecting the paths though -- like face down around Golden Eagle .. Or Bonanza ( race run drop ) to lodge.. Problem with a lot of the stuff 25-35 is it often does not get groomed so not the best for just carving. Red Dog is a nice fast run all the way, but only when groomed smoothly. I always wander off into Lucky Friday trees and and Area51 etc but though steep enough, never groomed so not like Shady @silver or whatever. I often see your Silver buddies ( Kramer and Mark et al ) shamelessly skiing the flatter groomers @ Lookout just as fast as they can -- which is probably 40 -45.. But no place in a huge area around here ( or most of the whole country! ) beats Lookout for snow. The expansion will add a lot of long steeps.
BTW new runs on MT Spokane are long! And some steep.
Been skiing Schweitzer a lot, but back to Lookout soon also!!! Every mountain has a calling card. Going to Red tomorrow. Lots of steeps.
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