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Post by mark on Feb 19, 2022 14:29:44 GMT
Hahaha, LoveJohnny did totally fuck up his analysis of how the duck bill levers. He was not around to ski the old Voile bindings that were IDENTICAL IN ALL RESPECTS to the 3pc but pinless. Also, how the hell does he think a plain Hardwire binding worked/works? You can remove the pins from a 3pc binding and it will work exactly the same as if it had pins though you may notice some fore/aft play without the cable. Pins were put in to position the duckbill fore/aft before cables were added as an option. Pins remain in the 3pc and 3pinhardwire for redundancy and for skiing without cables.. OKok, I'll correct myself before someone else has to: the precursor to the hardwire binding that used the spring cable did not have a bale; it used a solid bar to hold the duckbill down. In any case, if pins had something to do with the width of the leverage of the duckbill, we would all be talking about 30mm systems and not 75mm.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 19, 2022 23:51:37 GMT
I had at least one pair of those pinless "3PC" bindings and they were no different from the standard 3PC in terms of performance. I never tried to ski them without the spring cables attached but they were tight enough to hold the duckbills for at least alpine survival turns sans cables. In any case, the pins are irrelevant in terms of the ability of any 75mm binding to transmit torque in any plane.
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Post by Grampa Groomer on Feb 20, 2022 13:30:40 GMT
Love Johnny had a narrative re 75mm vs Xplore and NNN and he warped the truth to fit his narrative. I bet he was so excited to think he had made that discovery but, sadly, it was nonsense. 75mm has is widest of the 3 across boot-to-binding contact, distance across the pins means nada.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 23, 2022 19:32:11 GMT
Ahh Ttalk is all agog over this video. BFD I say; it's 2+ inches of good snow on basically flat slopes. One big so what? V3PC/T4 will blow this junk away hands down for downhill control over a wide application. And those boots are dishrags, period. Sure the skier is balanced---well at least better than TomM though this guy is throwing his upperbody around as well, just not as much --but the same snow and slopes can be easily skied with plain pins or NNN with basically the same level of control. This Xplore thing is for suckers. Neutral bindings and floppy boots does not spell GREAT CONTROL no matter how you try and sell it!!
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 24, 2022 18:47:52 GMT
Here's a really dumb idea, capital D dumb: the notion that a T4 class boot will make skiing the Xplore easier. It will only make things worse. Stiff boots and neutral bindings simply do not mix. Skiing a T4 type boot in the Xplore binding is a joke. The binding has no way to really contribute to flexing such a boot. Can skiing such a mismatch be done? Sure, but only by the very best skiers and even they will not be interested in that fight for long. Neutral bindings neither resist heel lift nor help in flexing the bellows. This is a persistent, stupid and self-contradictory idea: Ttalk: "Yeah, basically undeniable truth. I'm curious about xplore, and believe their may be potential, but a lightweight boot with the power of a T4 is really what I wish manufacturers would produce, for any binding system."
Lightweight and powerful and yet somehow floppy? Yea, won't happen.
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Post by mark on Feb 25, 2022 20:36:44 GMT
I read you comments on Tom's stiffer flexor video here. It's a mystery why he would think that though the boot has to be tipped up on the toes like this to measure the increased resistance to heel lift, it means downhill control is improved. A boot on its toes is not a boot on the ball of the foot. The toe of the boot has to come up to push hard enough against the flexor to appreciate any difference between those 2 flexors, and raising/pivoting the boot up at the toe in a neutral binding is exactly what you do not want to do.
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Post by Telebabble on Feb 26, 2022 14:18:45 GMT
Those are the expert opinions and experiments of a guy who can not ski well and has a very poor apprehension of the mechanics of ski bindings. In fact, he has nearly the same skillset of Grampa Groomer but at least he's not an inane ski bigot.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Feb 26, 2022 15:14:52 GMT
The "experiment" is meaningless. It's horribly flawed in that no part of the ball-of-foot is held on the ski when he tries to measure the difference in flexor resistance. Who gives a shit about the difference when the skier is on his toes? That's exactly the worst way to try and ski a neutral binding and it just amounts to dragging the ski around. The only flex lever you have in that system is from the back of the ball of your foot to your heel. You have to hold the BOF flat in the binding to lever effectively with your foot which is true of any neutral binding.
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Post by albertatele on Feb 26, 2022 17:31:16 GMT
Wow, he says: "The sole is stiffer than NNNBC and most 75 mm leather boots, but it will bend under the ball of the foot. The new sole / binding combo offers plenty of control of the rear ski even if the ball of the foot is not firmly planted."
Hahahaha, he's got plenty of control without PROPERLY WEIGHTING the ski. Well folks, it's a REVOLUTUION! And it's all because he's skiing a floppy boot in a neutral binding. The age of telemark skiing on the toes is here! Well, he skis usually in a couple inches of snow and on very low-angle meadows and he wobbles a lot and throws his upperbody around and carries little speed. What he is saying is, sadly, just nonsense.
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Post by mark on Feb 26, 2022 21:09:28 GMT
Hell-o, a boot does not bend/flex, how the hell can you Tele with it? And that's absolutely inane to suggest you have "plenty" of control on the trailing ski using a neutral binding without having the foot firmly planted on the ski. That would just be sloppy, weak skiing, period. Sounds like something Grampa Groomer would say..Come to think of it, the 2 of them do ski a LOT alike. Wobble on!
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Post by albertatele on Feb 27, 2022 15:21:40 GMT
I like to think of myself as being "kind" but that should keep no one from pointing out flaws in "measurements" or their meanings. The heel lift resistance difference of those flexors is clearly of virtually no relevance to a meaningful increase in downhill control, not when it is measured with the boots on their toes. Sorry, but Tom is trying to pass off bullshit when he claims that in this neutral binding, due to a somewhat stiff boot sole and a stiffer bumper, the pressure of the ball of the foot does not need to be firm to have "plenty" of control. He is trying to rationalize skiing on the toes, and as a matter of basic physics, it is clearly just b.s. but it is the only way he can try to defend the "experiment" as proving what it does not. Also consider 11lbs or 4lbs, how hard is that for an average guy of 175lbs or so to exert against those bumpers? And when that measly 11lbs is exerted, then those floppy boots simply fold. As Ron pointed out, his experiment has to be performed with the boot held flat from the toes to the ball-of-foot area to mean anything at all.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Mar 1, 2022 22:19:17 GMT
Tom has put himself in the position so now he has to defend skiing on his toes.. And here it is. Miracle of the hard flexor is that you get to Telemark with really bad form/habits? On the toes, all spread out, leaning inside, park and ride, and poking around with the poles for balance. In the end it, does not matter what bindings or boots he uses, he will ski the same way. And the hard flexor has just encouraged him to believe that skiing on the toes is a wonderful technique. XCD forums are a mess.
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Post by albertatele on Mar 1, 2022 23:51:45 GMT
A change of gear does not guarantee a change of bad habits. Weak technique overrides all else. The thing is he seems to think he is really killing it and yet he wobbles along in good snow and very lowangle slopes. And skiing gear that is inherently limited makes no one a better skier. It's HOW you habitually ski that tells what kind of skier you are.
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Post by LoveRonnyRavenSC! on Mar 2, 2022 14:35:22 GMT
This Xplore thing is so damned stupid it's just annoying to even hear about it. The pivot is at the toes which makes it like TTS with no cable. Exactly how many serious Telemark skiers would drop a knee with TTS and no cable? Free pivot Telemark? Dumb as hell. Like putting a chunk of plastic in front of my SwitchbackX2 and calling it great for Tele. And here's the proof of concept: a guy literally standing on his toes trying to ski.
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Post by Grampa Groomer on Mar 3, 2022 14:20:55 GMT
^^^^ And that is THEIR AD!Not seen anyone touting this Xplore extortion who does not Tele ski it on his/her toes.The innocent will buy into it and go flopping around like Tom M for years wasting endless time and energy.
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